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Heather and Michelle Nunnelly are joined by Ross Campbell to continue their conversation about self-esteem. Ross has done awesome comic books like Wet MoonGlory, and Shadoweyes.

The crew talks about their personal troubles in the art world and tries to come up with suggestions to overcome these problems. Shoutout to Neil Gaiman’s inspiring speech at University of Arts.

And apologies to anyone who gets bad-mouthed on the show.

At the beginning, Heather talks about the VACANT update (seven new pages are up starting with Issue 4 Page 18), and the twins drop a brief commentary on the video game Kentucky Route Zero.